he can talk about san francisco. >> connell wanted ashley judd. much easier to defeat and lampoon. he sees he is unpopular despite being a conservative state. >> why? >> because he's a conservative guy who has a track record for getting involved in ideological battles. he is not warm and personal and fuzzy, but he is powerful. he is ruthless in a good way. he will destroy anybody who comes up. they were popping off about ashley judd when she was a rumored candidate. >> say mcconnell doesn't get a primary challenge. how does that impact connell's impact in washington. from my perspective, the idea that mitch mcconnell is afraid of talent from the right makes them afraid to do anything and a deal of any kind. does it make it easier? >> certainly if he doesn't have a challenge from the right. if he thinks you are an alien and a group of republicans think he is not conservative enough, can you say a lot of things, but the guy is a pretty conservative fellow. if he doesn't have someone from the right, it makes it easier. not like he is looking for a lot of deals. >> his interview with p